• grue@lemmy.world
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    Reminder: the traditional “9 to 5” workday that is considered “full time” includes lunch. If you’re not getting paid for it or are working 8 to 5 or whatever, you’re getting swindled.

    You might say it’s “normal” now, but it only becomes normalized because workers fail to hold the line.

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      but it only becomes normalized because workers fail to hold the line. the rich business owners in charge have been busting unions and brainwashing people with anti-union propaganda for decades.

      Unions have been attempted more times than they’ve succeeded, not because of workers failing, but because powerful people have power and will do whatever dirty tactics they can to keep it.

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        Because unions stopped shooting back and bombing. Because when cops and Pinkertons shoot strikers the state turns a blind eye.

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        Unions have been attempted more times than they’ve succeeded

        I get what you mean, but I can’t resist the urge to point out that that’s basically a truism. The number of successes must be greater or equal than the number of attempts by definition, since a success without an attempt is not possible.

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      It keeps eroding away. I’ve had skilled jobs where the expectation was 8-5 without any breaks at all. “If you need to eat, you can do it at your desk while you’re working.”

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    Breaks are unpaid because that was another way to minimize what workers have to be paid.

    Businesses always look for ways to pay their employees less and only change practices when forced.

    Without strong unions and support from politicians things tend to get worse and worse.

    Too bad that we have neither.

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    My entire career, I got a one-hour lunch, and two, paid, ten-minute breaks.

    I know some will say you’d rather not because that’s just more time at work, but with a one-hour lunch you can leave work, that’s the whole point. It’s a real break. One hour is enough time to go to a restaurant, or you can eat at work, and take a short walk. Half-an-hour is barely enough to time to eat and use the bathroom.

    I guess what I’m saying is unionize.

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      Or live in a state that doesn’t screw you over. 1 hr lunch, two 15 minute breaks for 8 hour shift. Or half hour lunch minimum required after 6 hours work.

      This is with or without union.

      Being on the clock for lunch is a terrible idea. I like my own time thanks.

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        In my state in my career path at least the lunch is just used to keep is there for longer operational hours. They want us there 9 but pay for 8 and say we have an hour lunch, that way we’re 8 to 5 instead of 9-5.

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    Seriously though, I really hate that managers hate employees leaving early. Just how controlling do you want to be? Employees are not kids.

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      I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.

      It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.

      It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we’re stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.

      Once in a while, it doesn’t matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.

      For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.

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        In my experience when you loosen the restrictions on specific starting and ending times you get some people who prefer earlier and some people who prefer later and most people will probably be pretty close to traditional most of the time to maintain cooperation across large groups. Sometimes they call it ‘core hours’ when formalizing it in da rules. When most people are working independently then you can get rid of even that.

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    requirements for doing your work efficiently cannot be considered out of work, including transport.

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    If they let you take lunch at the end of the day to leave sooner that creates a loophole to say they gave you your lunch break without actually doing so

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    Wait, there’s jobs where people don’t get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.

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    One problem is that if others are dependent on you being there, this screws 'em. Guys at the other Lowe’s store did it all the time. By the middle of the afternoon the garden center was dead, who care’s if there’s only one guy for an hour?