My introduction is subtle. I text content to people. When they ask me where I get it (it’s happened twice so far), I say Lemmy. They say, “what’s that.” Gives me an opportunity to explain the similarities and differences with (advantages over) Reddit. No takers yet, but it’s coming.
I literally have explained the open protocols for social sharing that were released years ago. I tried to tell them that nobody can track you. And the ads they see don’t go to corps but literally no buy in from my friends and family. My sister has a blue sky account and I told her she was part if the Masterdon/Lemmy federation. She just thinks blue sky is a better twitter, for now.
Cool! So can you point me at a non-bsky.app instance running the full BlueSky stack that federates with bsky.app and continues working even if bsky.app disappears or defederates with them?
So, bluesky doesn’t work the same as the fediverse,
bsky.app is an appview. It doesn’t federate, it just aggregates data and indexes it.
A PDS stores data.
If you went to deer.social, and chose something like bsky.aenead.net as your hosting provider, you won’t be using any bluesky infrastructure.
On Reddit there’s a lot of “lemmy’s too complicated to be adopted by the general public”. Ik we don’t all have the same tech literacy but it doesn’t seem that complicated, like, do you understand emailing? Then you understand most of what lemmy is… (also you don’t even have to understand the intricacies to enjoy your experience there)
Frankly I think it’s simply that the public doesn’t particularly care to figure it out. As an analogy, people use Windows because that’s just what their computer came with, and therefore saying that Linux is free (as in price) is a meaningless selling point to them. You don’t convince Windows users to switch by saying that Linux is free, you convince them by saying that Linux is more convenient, stable, and less annoying.
In the same way, you don’t convince the public into using Lemmy by arguing about why open protocols are better. You convince people by saying that Lemmy is basically like Reddit but not overrun by bots and spammers
My introduction is subtle. I text content to people. When they ask me where I get it (it’s happened twice so far), I say Lemmy. They say, “what’s that.” Gives me an opportunity to explain the similarities and differences with (advantages over) Reddit. No takers yet, but it’s coming.
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I literally have explained the open protocols for social sharing that were released years ago. I tried to tell them that nobody can track you. And the ads they see don’t go to corps but literally no buy in from my friends and family. My sister has a blue sky account and I told her she was part if the Masterdon/Lemmy federation. She just thinks blue sky is a better twitter, for now.
Bluesky uses a different protocol to mastodon.
It’s also not particularly decentralized / federated, despite what their marketing might say.
That’s not really true anymore.
There is multiple different instances now. I can use bluesky without using bluesky’s servers.
I can run my own federated relay and AppView servers now?
You can.
Relay’s are less expensive now, it’s about 24 a month.
app.wafrn.net is a tumblr thing with atproto support.
Cool! So can you point me at a non-bsky.app instance running the full BlueSky stack that federates with bsky.app and continues working even if bsky.app disappears or defederates with them?
So, bluesky doesn’t work the same as the fediverse, bsky.app is an appview. It doesn’t federate, it just aggregates data and indexes it. A PDS stores data.
If you went to deer.social, and chose something like bsky.aenead.net as your hosting provider, you won’t be using any bluesky infrastructure.
On Reddit there’s a lot of “lemmy’s too complicated to be adopted by the general public”. Ik we don’t all have the same tech literacy but it doesn’t seem that complicated, like, do you understand emailing? Then you understand most of what lemmy is… (also you don’t even have to understand the intricacies to enjoy your experience there)
Frankly I think it’s simply that the public doesn’t particularly care to figure it out. As an analogy, people use Windows because that’s just what their computer came with, and therefore saying that Linux is free (as in price) is a meaningless selling point to them. You don’t convince Windows users to switch by saying that Linux is free, you convince them by saying that Linux is more convenient, stable, and less annoying.
In the same way, you don’t convince the public into using Lemmy by arguing about why open protocols are better. You convince people by saying that Lemmy is basically like Reddit but not overrun by bots and spammers
Same here we playing the long con.