cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this
Same, looks like we are shady now.
wHY DoN’t yOu chAnGe InSTanCe?
I did twice. Just let go of the past. Embrace the future.
It’s not about past or future, it’s about contributing to the instance that tests new releases first and helping the people that provide an alternative to mainstream centralized media
everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?
I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.
“An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.
To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.
.ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.
Methinks there might be a culture war/defederation covert campaign being done by more right or even just regular liberal users.
That or I’m being paranoid.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
that is actually the reason I chose lemmy.ml direct support from the developers is cool
Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the tankie triad?
It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics
The tankie triad
making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.
But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe
Transphobia is only unacceptable when it’s SHITLIBS who can be accused of it.
I am transfixed by their new obsession with women’s sports.
Remember when the WNBA was a punchline on Futurama? Where were these assholes then?
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.
Hai im a silly girl
hey i just wanted to destroy capitalism 🥺 👉👈
Yea who cares about those little human rights violations and genocides the CCP does along the way, just sweep those under the rug!
Imagine believing that CCP is a good representative of destroying capitalism. Typical lib. smh.
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I’ve met people in reality who feel the same way as you, and I wanted to ask you something:
Wonder if our media that is largely Republican controlled and owned by Western billionaires could maybe have some anti-CCP bias
Why does that mean that China is good? Like I understand that specific things western media says could be wrong, but we have a hell of a lot of proof about what they’ve done. So what I don’t get is, sure media is owned by billionaires and corrupt, but why does that mean that the exact opposite is what’s true? Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’ So why does it apply here?
No state is good. It’s actually not good to make up lines on a map and violently control people according to it. The more violent (aka “powerful”) the state, the worse that it is. USA might be the worst.
Switch “Republican” with “coastal elite” and “anti-CCP” with “anti-conservative” and it’s the same old, tired bullshit.
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It does, but you’re really tripping if you don’t think the CCP commits egregious human rights abuses.
Tankies say that shit but they don’t mean it. They could easily support and promote socialism in Western Nations but they don’t, instead the promote people like Donald Trump and try to convince people to resort to violence to tear it all down.
To them, real socialism is the enemy. “Communism” just means Eastern Power and “Capitalism” just means Western Power, it’s political tribalism at its core.
Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.
Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)
It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)
So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.
Comms are more like hashtags within an instance, generally, rather than a real community in itself.
In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.
By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.
I caught a 7 day ban in microblog memes for “whataboutism” after I pointed out that leftists were not responsible for the democrat’s loss, their actions would have been wildly unpopular whether we told them or not.
.world needs a targeted marketing campaign, we just need to point to the very public mod log. The mods at .world do all the work for us lol.
And if you ask people if they’re pro-Putin and pro-Russia and against Russian crimes against humanity, you’ll get banned faster than you can say “Синдром вахтёра”
Goes for Lemmy.ml and some reason Midwest.social as well.
Edit Case in point after writing this comment angry lil’ Ruskitos brigade me and use all their mod power and remove comments like
this I’ve made. Very “incivil” to call out Russian disinfo. Kek
If you go on there concern trolling and trying to start shit, I bet you will get banned.
But, fun fact, communists actually are not a fan of fascists.
I didn’t.
I simply pointed out that davel@lemmy.ml saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” would be extremely weird for an actual “red blooded, born&bred American”, which he claims to be.
So he just as an American patriot learned to speak Russian and won’t answer the question of “are you pro-Russian” while actively pushing Russian propaganda?
communists actually are not a fan of fascists
Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.
We’ll check again about communism when we get to Star Trek levels of utopia, mkay?
I’m still not banned and I have been critical of russia and support Ukraine. Everybody Sucks Here
General sentiment doesn’t matter. It’s when you, for example, point out that davel@lemmy.ml is a Russian disinformation agent. He is literally Russian, he’s cleaned up his profiles now, but when I started looking into that account I found several alts on other instances with communication in Russian. Like there wasn’t even a hint of suspicion if he was Russian or not.
But davel@lemmy.ml account adamantly insists that they are American “born and bred”, while still literally saying Putin is right to invade Ukraine, denying Uyghyr genocide, denying Russian war crimes, posted tons in the run up to the US presidential election about “don’t vote genocide joe” and all that “avoid voting no matter what” bullshit as an intentional push to instigate apathy in American voters to decrease voter turnout.
Him, antioutsideaktion, it’s rather trivial to recognise them.
And the simplest way is to ask them “are you pro-Russian”. Davel is afraid of answering it, despite clearly and vocally supporting Russian propaganda, even going so far as to literally say “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”. I mean, literally.
And after saying that, he still won’t say he’s Russian. And pretends to be American? What a patriot, right?
He’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could. Nowadays he doesn’t really even dare to participate on lemmy.world so I don’t engage him. :D
“Look at me, look at me. I am the moderator now.”
Uyghyr genocide
Lol
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]@lemmy.ml52·2 months agoHe’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could
Goes to check modlog
History of misgendering/trolling
It’s a ban on midwest.social, not even .ml
Misgenders unapologetically
blahaj
I haven’t misgendered anyone. Go ahead and read the thread. :)
Nice whataboutism though.
Guess you’re a salty Russian.
Lol lemmy.ml and hexbear from your emoji https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hexbear.net%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F7bdbc255-05e5-4922-92d9-59cdc7686f1a.png “emoji agony”
So yeah, you’re not gonna admit to Russian crimes against humanity either.
Hope you’re gonna get called to the frontlines to feed the flowers. <3
Davel banned me like 9 months ago you’re even lazy in your trolling
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]@lemmy.ml32·2 months agoDespite saying Davel banned you from “everywhere he could”, you haven’t been permanently banned from .ml, despite the fact that clearly you should have been
He banned me as much as he could, let’s put it that way.
Because I called him out for larping a “born&bred red-blooded American” as he’s very clearly Russian.
He, like you, can’t actually answer a simple yes or no question. Did Russia break international law with it’s war of aggression invading the sovereign state of Ukraine, and is still there to this day, committing horrific war crimes? Y/N?
Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?
Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?
Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?
Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?
Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!
And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??
Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.
Incivility is only when you call out liberal hypocrisy and .world, otherwise it’s sparkling marketplace of ideas.
Ah yes, wise words UnderpantsWeevil, .worlds very own resident tankie
OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!
Welcome 🤗
Welcome to lemmy newbies, here is your first official feud post.
Solidarity amongst the instances! We will not be divided!
Um no, most don’t want just more authoritarianism. Tankies are genocide deniers or look the other way on the many human rights abuses whenever the government doing it is China or Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
Lol.
If it’s a pejorative term, then you’re not building the justification for its usage that you think you are.
“Tankie Triad?” Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don’t have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances.
In Canada, we have a conservative named Pierre Poilievre that makes nonsensical catch phrases like that every month or so. Kinda reminds me of that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
In my book, it isn’t “tankie” until they are the kind who claim all the authoritarian regimes that were never democratic to be “communist”.
You can’t have communism without democracy, that’s the whole deal, it’s in the freaking name, community.Claiming to be “communist” when your regime is authoritarian is like claiming to make soup without liquids.
You can replace water with other stuff like broth, or even beer and wine, to make soup. But you need a liquid to make soup. That’s soup’s whole deal. Without a liquid as the base, or if you take out all the liquid after doing it, whatever you are doing, whatever you call it, it ain’t soup.
For example, portable soup may have “soup” in the name, but it isn’t soup. It’s dehydrated food. It may have been soup once, but it isn’t soup.The thing is, AES states are democratic. They usually don’t have competing liberal parties like Western countries, but instead a more comprehensive form based on electing delegates. For example, the USSR functioned like this:
For further reading, Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan.
Further, the “point” of Communism isn’t Democracy to begin with. Communism is a prediction, not a perfect society created in a lab, of what will necessarily happen as humanity develops. Marx predicted humanity will move towards a fully publicly owned and planned economy with democratic control because industry gets larger and more complex over time. I think if you take away that Communism is based on analysis and not on some Utopia, you take away the reason why Communism makes sense to begin with.
Please go back to your corner.
Nah
If you want nothing farther left than drumpf memes, and also like being a little bit bigoted towards Muslims, then Lemmy.world is gonna be a nice cozy home for you.
Hai! I’m new here, are all of these comments that I can’t see from .world users? I assume .ml is defederated from .world?
No, we’re still federated with them. I’m not sure which comments you can’t see. I’ve personally blocked a few of the most insufferable users for my blood pressures sake. You will see weekly (or more frequent) posts like this on .world where they complain about leftist instances and the comments are full of exhortations to block or defederate from lemmygrad, .ml and hexbear.
Yea, i created an account over on hexbear and then this one on lemmy.ml as my alt as a more federated instance
For example, this comment, i can only see one of the replies from the lemy.lol user.
Looking in to it deeper it seems like my assumption of lemmy.world being defederated is incorrect.
The 1st and 2nd screenshots are from lemmy.ml, and the 3rd is from lemm.ee.
From the Voyager app, showing replies but I can’t expand the replies.
From lemmy.ml directly in a browser.
From lemm.ee directly in a browser.
Remember, it’s not authoritarian or bootlicking if it’s Israel or the US
ah yes, thats right! there are only two sides, western fascism, or eastern.
That is indeed the .world attitude.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
edit: instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
Yeah, unless they’re Western or western allied of course, at least according to .world
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
uh-huh.
instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
No, I’m good. Maybe you should share your theory with the statists on .world.
There’s only two sides: fascism vs humanity.
No need for phony racist divisions.
There are some real weirdos here that have this as the major part of their personality.