Chat Control didnt pass - they didnt even vote because they were afraid the result would be embarassing.
And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.
EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.
But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.
I quoted the article here with the news:
In a major breakthrough for the digital rights movement, the German government has refused to back the EU’s controversial Chat Control regulation yesterday after facing massive public pressure.
The government did not take a position on the proposal.
This blocks the required majority in the EU Council, derailing the plan to pass the surveillance law next week.
Jesus Christ, you think this will be the last attempt?
The fact that these guys even proposed (and more than once) something that so profoundly violates the fundamental right to privacy of European citizens is cause for great alarm.
OP’s post seems like propaganda to me and of the lazy kind.
There will be another one within 5 months.
What kind of nonsense is this writeup? Media “got to me”? Look, you see Denmark? You see how it’s in support of chat control?
Yeah, that’s my country. So it’s a rather serious issue here.
Maybe I don’t understand, but the fact there is a vote for it (or even just talk about it) is enough for me to warrant everyones immediate action.
I’m glad the media got this to our attention asap, because we were able to react quickly (and stop this… hopefully its stopped and wont continue or come back).
Edit: commented then read others, think ppl agree with this and they say it better than I have.
P.s. i really don’t like this post and hopefully it doesn’t change anyones mind about action on this type of stuff in the future… we need action and to keep fightijg to keep our freedoms.
“let your motto be ‘eternal vigilance is the price we pay for liberty.’”
Freedom dies in the silence of the many at the hands of the few. We must always be adamant with opposition, because it’s hard to undo what has been done. The easiest way to put the genie back in the bottle is never letting it out in the first place.
What kind of shit take is this?
Media made people aware of ongoing bullshit, people reacted and put pressure on their governments and somehow “media got to us”?
If anything it didn’t pass because of media attention.
Yeah, keeping the public in the dark so people against it aren’t there to voice their opinion is how these like this get passed. Media attention to inform the public was a good thing.
What kind of shit take is this?
The lemmy.ml kind, check OP’s profile
If that graphic is accurate, the media didn’t “get” anyone. Seems some countries are actually gun-ho with the elimination of privacy, and its a movement that doesn’t die with one failed vote.
Y’all are getting too fucking comfortable. Authoritarianism is always around the corner, even when things feel safe.
This is a terrible map, lumping neutral and opposed together? I am against chat control but ffs we don’t need more misleading media with the internet already dying under waves of automated misinformation
Agreed
I believe it should be all over the media to ensure that it never passes. Democracy dies in darkness. Name and shame those who supported it.
Isn’t this how liberal democracies are supposed to work? How exactly did “the media” get the better of “us”?
Good thing happens.
wAkE Up ShEePlE
Is this some sort of misguided patriotism? I don’t see what the propaganda we are supposedly falling for is. Is it not as equally accurate to say that public opinion and outcry led to it not coming to a vote? I think keeping that public outcry is important to defeat future attempts to undermine rights. Don’t think it can’t happen in the EU. It’s happening if the US
I’m talking about all the opinions already made up, that EU wanted to take away encryption and give us chat control.
They didnt want that.
It’s like saying Denmark wants to throw out all immigrants, just because a small minority is proposing it. They dont.
Democracy is just great for media outlets, because they can bandwagon stupid proposals.
Yeah… no.
Germany switched to opposed partially because people knew about it and contacted their representatives.
They contacted their representatives because they heard about it… through the media.
I contacted my representatives in Spain and they gave two fucks about it, they still positioned as “in favour”.
I contacted
myrepresentativesThese people clearly don’t represent you.
“Because there was push back and the EU decided to not go forward with a vote and be embarrassed, that means they never really wanted it at all” is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard in a minute.
Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.
What? LOL Who do you think is pushing said “propaganda” to make people fear Chat Control unnecessarily?
And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.
It was demonstrably not a lie. There were so many regions in support of it that it was dangerously close to passing.
I’m thinking this post is the propaganda. Really really lazy propaganda.
Don’t worry, it’ll be back again in a few months with a new coat of paint.
It was demonstrably not a lie. There were so many regions in support of it that it was dangerously close to passing.
It really wasn’t. It couldn’t have been close to passing without a vote even taking place. The vote was scheduled for October 14th. However, since countries representing more than 35% of the EU population have declared their opposition to this proposal, it has been canceled.
A lot of countries have indeed declared support, though this is completely separate from the vote. There, it’d require a qualified majority (55% of member states in favor, or countries representing 65% of the EU population in favor). Looking at MEPs’ public statements, it’s unlikely that the vote would have passed.
Nonetheless, it remains troubling that they keep trying to force this proposal through. We have to push back every single time, but they only need it to pass once. Who knows what the future may hold.
It couldn’t have been close to passing without a vote even taking place.
Huh? Do countries voicing their approval or disapproval not count as a “vote”?
countries representing more than 35% of the EU population have declared their opposition
That’s not even half…
A lot of countries have indeed declared support, though this is completely separate from the vote.
That’s because, as you mentioned earlier, the vote never happened.
There, it’d require a qualified majority (55% of member states in favor, or countries representing 65% of the EU population in favor)
Which, according to your own numbers, they already had.
Not going to downvote this because the source article is useful, but OP’s take is ludicrous. Have we really reached the point where ALL media is propaganda?
It might be time to unplug society and plug it back in again.
People here are very groupthink.
When Tesla was at like 250 in the stock market just six months ago, I said that the stock will recover very soon. But the groupthink here was totally agreeing with eachother that Tesla is gone forever, and people kept posting Elon doing nazi gestures and saying they are done.
Now, the stock is over 400. But no posts is made about that and how maybe the groupthink was completely wrong. Instead the next thing is ongoing.
We have evidence around us all the time how the group is completely wrong in their assumptions. Majority opinion is not right by default.
EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.
But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.
This is what the EU democracy opinion was as of July 2024 BTW, before the “media got to you”:
