FrEe MaRkEtS and all that bullshit.

Even in other countries using something that is tested and proven for its no logs policy beats taking a stab in the dark and being hopeful that your ISP doesn’t.

You said yourself you “bet” that ISPs in other countries don’t do it but you don’t know. Something like Mullvad has been proven not to keep logs which sounds a lot better than some dudes hunch.

But if you want to gamble with your privacy by all means do it but you shouldn’t act like you know what you’re talking about when you tell people to trust ISPs because you think if you’re in a certain country they don’t spy on you or sell your data.

As Randy Marsh said, “You can’t just go back to Playboy after that!”

https://www.pcmag.com/news/mullvad-vpn-hit-with-search-warrant-in-attempted-police-raid

Yeah you’re right man the VPN that got raided and proven to keep no logs is the exact same as ATT that helped the NSA spy on everyone in the USA and has your credit card and address on file.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-att-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-millions/

Sure something like NordVPN wouldn’t be trustworthy but come on, saying all VPNs are just as trustworthy as ISPs is absolutely insane

Wasn’t Mullvad famously raided and found to keep no logs?

I’d sure trust that more than any ISP in UK or USA and I think you would be crazy not to as well.

One has a proven track record, the others undoubtedly do it and have been known to do it and tell you they do it.

It frustrates me to no end that people can’t understand that truth.

Even with TOR and shit they say don’t do that and I think that’s wrong. Sure sure, fingerprinting or whatever. I believe there is a much more tangible risk of your ISP knowing that you are connecting to TOR in the first place especially in countries like UK and USA.

Sure if you lived in Belize or something where it doesn’t matter it wouldn’t be a big deal but living in those two countries and even like Canada and Germany automatically makes you a target for using it.

Out of those options or a VPN I pay anonymously with Monero or mail cash to I would consider that much, much safer than any ISP.

I encourage you to look up what Snowden said about ATT helping the NSA during Prism which is absolutely still ongoing.

In fact, here you go heres a small part of it https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-att-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-millions/

But sure keep preaching about how VPNs don’t do anything and instead trust the companies that have direct interests to the governments they serve to stay in favor and that have your credit card and address on file. That is much more secure!

some countries

Ok, but what if you live in UK or USA? You can pretty much guarantee without the shadow of a doubt that every single one available is selling your data. In fact, I think their terms even say they will do that.

In a case like that I would 100% rather trust a paid VPN service from a country that isn’t a privacy nightmare.

I would trust something like Mullvad more than ATT or Verizon to not sell my data, wouldn’t you?

**this comment was posted like 6 times because all of the Lemmy instances I’ve been using have been super weird lately not letting me post comments and stuff so I kept trying and kept trying and then all of them pushed through at once.

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