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if 40 percent is lol, whats the rest? also why would a maga dude care about a transgirl’s choice in men?
“Please stay away from me. Ok thanks for accepting me.”
this is just what i think, but it might be, that someone who questions gender identity, might also question capitalsim instead of just accepting the rethorics…
Capital is built upon the foundation of strictly enforced gender roles, men enfocring monogamy so they could be sure who their sons were, to consolidate wealth in their family
read the Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, or there’s a shorter section about it in Transgender Warriors
wow prole wiki was the 4th result when I searched for this book
Once I’d already rejected my assigned gender I had an intellectual freedom few around me did. I was helped by having psychonaut friends who were also headed hard progressive labor-left but when everything could be questioned and the cruelty inherent to enforcement of the system was clearly visible it wasn’t hard to notice that infinite growth didn’t sound realistic
There’s probably some overlap where people capable of accepting themselves as transgender instead of denying it are more ready to deny tradition in general
anything that forces you to question the status quo will prod you into questioning other things.
for me, it’s being queer; brown; and on the spectrum, which are all things that get you frequent rejection from almost all status-quo-loving groups of people.
Can confirm, started with going vegan for me. After that I kicked out my religion/faith, then the belief in the state and then in my gender lol.
What does “40%” mean in this context?
Adding to the other replies, right wing transphobes routinely hail the suicide rate as a badge of honour. They love joking about it and insinuating it should be higher. They’re really not quiet about expressing that they absolutely want trans people to kill themselves.
A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent of transgender people had attempted suicide. It found that interpersonal microaggressions and emotional neglect by family members were the leading contributors to the attempts.
Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison, the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.
According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary have attempted suicide.
Meanwhile, a 2018 study of more than 120,000 children age 11 to 19 found that 41.8 percent of non-binary adolescents—those who do not identify as definitively male or female—had attempted suicide
The bigger the sample the less likely survivorship bias of the respondents.
Took me forever to find the last study, for those interested, link:
As you can see it’s rather lackluster in presenting it’s findings.
Thanks. That’s so sad 😢
Also I’ve gotten so worried of the use of em-dashes, so I’m glad you had a source.
Yeah a bunch of maga think that’s an insult, and not just evidence of their cruelty and ignorance.
also yeah i just copy and pasted tbh so could be ai used by the ~source, ~ idk
Iirc there was a stat that ~40% of trans people attempt suicide
Oh… 😢
Struggle informs theory, and theory in turn counsels action. That’s why those at the summits of power do everything that can to ridicule and condemn and censor these ideas.
-Leslie Feinberg
Works by Leslie Feinberg:
Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue
Transgender Liberation: A Marxist View
That queer theory broadly shares Western Marxist proclivities towards pessimism and theoreticism is exemplified in its treatment of categories such as normativity, the universal, the bodily, the virtual, and science. Trans people’s experience impels us to seek further afield for a theory adequate to our situation, rejecting the chauvinist anticommunism that other leftists take for granted, and discovering underappreciated benefits to “sympathizing with the monster.” From this deparochialized perspective, it makes as little sense for a Marxist-Leninist to be transphobic as it does for a trans person to be anticommunist.
-Nia Frome
The Problem of Recognition in Transitional States, or Sympathy for the Monster
Bonus: My intro Marxist-Leninist reading list
Do right-wingers lament the lack of trans people on the right?
No but people do ask why so many trans people are leftists as opposed to regular ass liberals.
Essentially what Nia Frome answers in The Problem of Recognition in Transitional States, or Sympathy for the Monster.
No. As a rule basically anything you see here that the right is “panicking” about is a nothing burger to them.
It’s the same with their news feed, they get articles about how the left is “panicking” over shit nobody actually cares about.
More and more were hating fictionalized versions of each other and the ensuing culture war gives the 1% room to pave over our rights.
We’re to the point now where the “wft I love/hate X now” meme isn’t a joke. The culture war is fully driving people’s values, not ideology.
This is the main reason why people vote for trump, they want to win the culture war and don’t give a fuck about ideology.
Next time you see a headline or article ask yourself if you actually give a shit or if you’re being told to give a shit. You’ll be surprised how often it’s the latter.
95% of the memes here (like this one) here are just strawmen for culture war fodder.
Strawmen? On Lemmy? Say it ain’t so.
I need to remember that more often.
It’s easy to forget but paramount to remember that nobody is immune to propaganda.
Indeed
Chasers unfortunately exist.
I can’t bring myself to upvote any of the Incel-origin memes. Ascribing correctness to attractive white people feels too sus.
I have to correct you: it’s 41%, please get your memes right
Why are big companies like Google and Microsoft supportive for leftists if leftists in the USA want to destroy capitalism? It’s weird.
Why are big companies like Google and Microsoft supportive for leftists
Lol in what universe is this true?
They support liberalism, not leftism.
They like making a big deal out of their tokenistic support of LGBT/BIPOC/etc, to distract from them trampling over workers rights.
They support liberalism
No they don’t. They only support making money and cornering markets for themselves. They’ll take corporate socialism and using the law to crush opinions. The idea that they “support” anything ideological is utterly wrong.
Anticipating somebody’s response:
Exactly. You just described liberalism.
No I didn’t. Corporations have no ideology. It’s pure warfare and there are no rules or values beyond making money for themselves, not on any larger societal scale. They’re just algorithms for increasing profit.
to distract from them trampling over workers rights.
100% yes
“Corporate socialism” does not exist. Corporations push liberalism as a part of cultural hegemony, as does the state. Capital does not care about anything but profit, but cultural hegemony is the means to protect property relations.
Corporate socialism is when the government gives them our tax dollars to totalize top-down control. That’s not liberalism, that’s just power. They’ll trample “liberalism” to make a dollar.
That’s not what socialism is to begin with, that’s just the state within capitalism affirming corporate power, which is a part of liberalism. “Liberalism” has always generally been that which affirms capitalism, ideologically, it isn’t a moral code.
Using taxes for things isn’t socialism, socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy.
That’s not what socialism is to begin with
But that’s what corporate socialism is
“Liberalism” has always generally been that which affirms capitalism
That’s one function of it (in context) but that’s not the definition. That’s not “what it is.” Also, these corporations would trample capitalism itself to gain more power.
socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy.
I’m not talking about socialism, I’m talking about corporate socialism, which is not a form of socialism. It’s a term which demonstrates how anti-liberal and anti-meritocratic and even anti-capitalist the top-down government-corporate control network is.
“Corporate socialism” does not exist. It isn’t socialist in any way. What it is is thoroughly capitalist, and is an example of the state under capitalism affirming corporate interests. A closer descriptor would be “state capitalism.”
Corporations cannot “trample capitalism itself for more power.” The only power corporations hold within capitalism comes from their ability to reproduce on an expanded scale in capital circulation. If corporations trampled on capitalism, they would erase themselves.
What you describe as “anti-liberal,” “anti-meritocratic,” and “anti-capitalist” is the peak of liberalism and capitalism itself. The late stage capitalism has not transcended capitalism, and is not denoted as “corporate socialism.” That’s just word salad.
The “socialism for the rich” talking point and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
If nobody ever coined that term then everything would still be exactly the same.
In addition to people differentiating between leftism and liberalism:
Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead…
Communists are allowed to post on YouTube because YouTube gets ad revenue off of their content without meaningfully changing our ability to actually affect change, at least from YouTube’s perspective.
These companies aren’t supporting the end of capitalism. They subsume and coopt socially progressive movements to better support their own profits. Capital does this with anything, it doesn’t care about what the message or movement is, which is why many companies are tuning back progressive messaging in the current social climate.
Man could you imagine if we had Google/MS bucks behind us? Instead it’s like 30 people with $2 between us.
Google and Microsoft do not support the left at all.
Orgs like PSL seem to be doing well!
Eh… The PSL is less of a political party and more of a political “think tank” funded by Neville Singham. The entire party is basically just the host of BreakThrough News.
Which I don’t really mind the left having a think tank funded by a billionaire, I just wish they did more than self promote such a small pool of people and didn’t represent themselves as an actual political party.
Despite claiming that they have representation in over 50 cities, they lack any kind of physical fingerprint outside of NYC. And despite being based out of NYC but have been completely silent on the mayoral race.
Local branches get up to a lot more than what happens at the national level, plus a lot of the work is done behind the scenes. There’s more than just NYC, the local chapters do good work.
I’m guessing there’s a bit of a difference between chapters? The closest one to me doesn’t seem to do much but sporadically organize protests.
There’s also been a lot of accusations of coverups of sexual assault and anti trans biase over the years. I mean at least bad enough to have its own section in the prolewiki.
There’s decent variance. The ones I have experience with have all been pro-trans, with queer membership. Allegations do exist, but it doesn’t appear to be beyond a local level. Talk to your local directly.
With all that money against leftists, leftists couldn’t race head to head with the right wing in the USA. So I don’t think they are against you either.
Leftists are not racing head to head with the right wing in the US Empire. The DNC and GOP are both right-wing, leftism is largely found in smaller parties like PSL.
Why do you believe big companies support leftists?
Because they all support diversity, equity, woke etc, which are leftist movements in the USA. They advertise for positions always stating these movements. Why do you think they support the right wing?
They feign social progressivism while affirming right-wing economics, which is the peak of liberalism.
That’s just a surface level analysis. The moment LGBT people started being accepted, not because of people’s benevolence but because of much fighting and struggle to be accepted and recognized, capitalism realized that we could be marketed to, that we were just another profit source, so it started reacting accordingly, that’s why terms like Rainbow Capitalism exists.
You can easily see this every pride month were companies will change their logos to pride themed ones, unless it’s in a country where being LGBT is illegal. We are only a concern as long as we are profitable.
Furthermore it is not that companies are inherently right wing, but rather that they are a part of capitalism which is in itself a right wing system.
They support identity politics to keep people at each others’ throats (divide and conquer by identity) while cloaking themselves in empty rhetoric (nominal “support”) that makes them look moral but accomplishes nothing beyond identity-division.
That makes sense but I have always related them with the USA leftists as they support LGBT, woke, Palestine supporters. Just one time Microsoft supported Israel for a very short period but other than that… But what you say wasn’t something I considered. I will keep it in mind
Corporations absolutely do not support Palestine, especially not big tech companies. They often deal directly with Israeli intelligence.
If you’re not woke, you’re asleep.
They aren’t. Your question has no valid answer because the assumption it presupposes is false.
They aren’t it’s just many programmers are nonbinary because that tends to go with intelligence. Not that being intelligent makes you nonbinary just that being intelligent makes it hard to be stupid and pretend like you are something other than yourself. Before the desert monoreligions took over nonbinary and queer identities were very prevalent in society. People were always gay and genderweird, but religion and authoritarianism and slave ethics made people think we are the weird ones when really they are the weird ones living a lie. They accuse us of “gender ideology” even though we barely even believe in gender and they are obsessed with it and gender roles. They accuse us of “gay ideology” even though we mostly keep it to ourselves and they build their entire identity on being “normal”, and constantly badmouth us, which ironically they aren’t even. They are repressed and confused and virtually lobotomized. They are motivated primarily by fear and acceptance. They are jealous and envious that someone else can be brave and be themselves when they are miserable little assholes who can never even stand up for themselves or even know a single true thing about themselves outside of the dark corner of their mind they reserve for masturbation.
They can never allow us fairness because if they did we would just completely dominate them and their entire culture. Most of us are not only intelligent but strong and honest. We are survivors. We are brave. We are principled. That’s how we ended up becoming human in this ridiculous world of exploitation and gaslighting. We are beautiful because we actually care and take an interest in ourselves. We have good character because anyone will use any excuse, no matter how small to try to exclude us or get rid of us. They can’t compete with us so they have to lie and other us as much as possible.
Yet if there is one thing that’s going well in this world, people are at least learning to be and know themselves. People are quickly embracing their queerness and natural genders instead of this stupid nonsense from the past in the religious world. Modern humans are starting to become like the greeks and Romans and Persians and Egyptian again. Finally starting to be happy, and progress as a species, and we are finally starting to get back to that level of civilization after a near 2000 year dark age.
