• Brkdncr@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    No one remembers how vulnerable windows server and windows desktop OS’s were before they revamped updates?

    Forced updates are great. The internet is safer.

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      22 days ago

      This is a good point, but the issue is that vendors have abused this need by not just pushing security updates, but also regular rewrites that make the products more invasive/full of language model shit - Exhibit A being anything at all from Microsoft

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        or changing their product from a one time purchase to a subscription model, I predict there’s gonna be a lot more of that with this new forced app updates change.

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        22 days ago

        You can’t maintain security and feature changes separately long term.

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      22 days ago

      Security packed and system updates is one thing.

      The constant reorganization of functions and apps and layouts and compatibility is a very different one.

      It is a problem that the operating system is controlled by the largest apps and service company that make money from user data in various forms and keep pushing their business model in every device core operations.

      And fuck fuck fuck that Google keeps trying to force Gemeni in every update. Let me keep using Google Assistant and stop making it worse by stripping out functionality or replacing shortcuts to Gemeni. Gemeni can still not do the very few things I want my voice assistant to do, namely set alarms and play music on whatever music streaming service I prefer to use.

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      22 days ago

      Until they force an update that bricks your device because they want money from you upgrading hardware

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        22 days ago

        Processors change, libraries become deprecated or vulnerable, design paradigms shift, and new integrations become possible that weren’t there when the application first launched. Should we blame old house builders for using asbestos when they didn’t know how poorly that would end up?

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          21 days ago

          We should blame a shitty company for not being able to maintain their code.

          Seriously if the world depends on some dumb company with some tiny number of people relative to the planet, then the world is dumb and fucked.

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            Well updates are “maintenance”, I’m arguing against someone who seems to think the code should be flawless from the get go and being any lesser and requiring updates is an issue of the developers.

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          Processors change? Non-sequitur. Spectre an its ilk arrived on the scene at least a decade after MS had developed a reputation for shipping shit code.

          Libraries become deprecated or vulnerable? Non-sequitur. Whose libraries? Who deprecated them? Remember, this is a company that personified Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. If they picked shitty vendors for libraries and did no due diligence on that source code, why are the externalities foisted upon users? Also, libraries don’t “become vulnerable” through some magical process. Either the bug was there from the beginning, or a shitty change was introduced and not caught.

          Design paradigms shift? And this is an excuse for writing shitty code? I don’t buy it.

          New integrations require new code and that means taking into consideration the new shape of the system. Sounds like they did a really shitty job of that and they make it the user’s problem.

          Should we blame the old house builders for using asbestos? Unequivocally, yes. Those shitheads knew or should have known. Don’t believe me? Here is a handy link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169500224003623

          Do note the decades between when it was understood the shit was dangerous and when the decline as a building material happened.

          So, no, MS still does not get a pass.

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              I think I’ll continue to enjoy my pseudonymity for the time being. Besides, I could link you to some rando’s modules, claim to be that person, and you’d have no way of verifying anyhow since this nick has no resemblance to the handle I used. But let’s just say, I shipped well-tested, thoroughly documented modules with very high “kwalitee” used by fortune 100 companies.

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    The solution isn’t being able to stay on old versions. Software should improve over time, not fuck you over

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      Software should improve over time, not fuck you over

      Gotta remember most lamestream software is controlled by capital. Fucking you over as much as possible is the primary goal.

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    You only notice the bad updates. There are probably over a hundred good ones for each annoying one that you notice.

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    If you have an asshole that does a bad job for a handyman, you will learn to fear the fixes.

    It’s not the regularity that is the problem, is the people delivering the fixes. Change manufacturers and software providers. I promise you there is software that is reliable, doesn’t get worse over time, respects your freedom, and treats you like a human being instead of a conduit from your bank account to theirs.

    You can enjoy software and computers actually.

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    The android update forever crippled my OnePlus 3. It used to sleep an unlimited number of applications in the background and went to not being able to run two apps without killing the second one

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    21 days ago

    We have decided to charge for what was previously included… Substantially changing the parameters of the established contract

    Suck it

    Corporations are basically just criminals now

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    On the other hand DoS attacks frequently depend on systems that haven’t had security updates to build up their zombie army.