You literally cannot escape these companies, they own everything. Every brand of every everything, and you’ve got a large corporation in there somewhere in the shadows. That’s why they tell you to separate the art from the artist, because it’s been made impossible to boycott anything.
I can easily avoid every company owned by PayPal.
And use what? Mastercard? Visa? Your local bank institute?
All are deep into shit of gambling our money (financial speculation) for profit.I don’t care if companies speculate or if they make a profit.
Well…I don’t see any interests arriving on my end. At best maybe 0.25%
Meanwhile 2nd yacht or whatever.You can get much better rates if you are willing to lock your savings in for at least few months. Short term treasury bonds are 4-5% right now.
I work in a servo/convenience store and about 3/4 of our drink fridges (all 10 or so doors worth) are the same 4 brands. Probably most of the store is covered under like 7 brands.
Coke, Pepsi, Schweppes, Nestle, Unilever and there goes almost everything edible and drinkable that isn’t fresh.
Now here’s the scrubber of this all – If you REALLY want to be serious – Go to a farmers market.
Oh wait, almost every fucking farmer is a Trump supporter…
Large corporate farmers maybe (you’ve provided no support to your claim). In my experience though (a decade in fine dining, with direct relationships to many market farmers) there are more small farmers without their heads up their asses. They understand how they are being fucked with water rights, climate change and no right to repair. While nobody is doing enough on these things currently, they recognize that trump is gasoline on the fire that disrupts their lives.
A lot of them, sure. Not all of them.
Disagree, haven’t touched PayPal or anything related to PayPal in years without issue.
When PayPal bought Venmo I stopped using them too. And long before that stopped using Ebay back when PayPal/Ebay were tied together.
Who are “they” and who says that that is valid advice?
“Separate the artist…” is fairly accepted by any decent people I know as a way for selfish people to forgive themselves the burden of minor personal sacrifices related to their own consumer activities. The long form is literally, “Yes, Michael Jackson did horrible things to that little boy’s butthole, Woody Allen molested his daughter and married his adopted child and Bill Cosby drugged and raped women for decades, but let’s go buy their movie/album!” - you likely wouldn’t say the long form through, would you? You would hide and obfuscate behind, “sepatate the artist…” So you don’t have to say the bad things out loud.
Nobody with any integrity buys into “separate the artist…”
Also, to your point about this post, again it’s a similarly lazy way to forgive yourself the burden of trying to stay aware of these things and making little changes to how you vote with your wallet. You can absolutely do something like go shop at Costco this week instead of target - as one performatively eliminated diversity programs at their company while one preserved them as a stand. That’s where your opinion falls apart because yes, you can likely find something to hate Costco as well (because they are all garbage companies, but there are shades, they aren’t all equal. You have to participate to function, but you can do the slightest amount of work to shop more consciously. But that is the work you are trying to forgive yourself of.
The point isn’t perfection, but to do enough for this week and try again next week. Before you know it, you’re shopping more consciously wherever you go.
Separate the Art from the Artist is accepted by SANE people, who don’t have time to milk tirades so that they can play victim on the internet so that strangers think they are virtuous.
There is not a thing you do, have, own, buy, or operate that isn’t part of slavery, human exploitation, etc in some way or another. You only do this because you want to virtue signal to others that you think “good thoughts” and so you can be praised for being brave.
You’re not brave. You don’t make a difference. And nobody cares.
If you eat any kind of meat, your an evil “carnist”. If you don’t adopt pets from the shelter, then you’re contributing to pet farming. If you don’t drink from a paper straw then you’re killing turtles.
Everyone everywhere has some problem with someone’s something. You literally cannot avoid it all. Own a smartphone? Then you’re evil and deserve to die because you’re carrying an item that was made by slavery! Let me guess…you’re not gonna give up the smartphone…are you? Yeah - I didn’t think you would.
You operate under the false premise that people think this is about binary choice, it’s not. The shades of gray matter here. Again, as I stated, perfection isn’t the goal, it is how much of an effort you make to consciously navigate the bullshit we are forced to live within, while also hopefully working to fix the larger broken systems somehow in your lifetime. Progress, not perfection.
You very baldly read as extremely selfish and again, you performatively forgive yourself in public forums so you don’t have to try. You sound like a professional victim. Start listening to those rogue thoughts at night when you’re staring at the ceiling, the ones that tell you you might be completely full of shit, they are on to something…
Nonsense. Most people who boycott products aren’t posting about it on the internet.
And I don’t know why you assume that opposing one company means you have to oppose others. People are allowed to oppose PayPal but not give a crap about eating meat.
“Heavily integrated into eBay” except it isnt any more.
Firstly the article is a year and a half old but although you can still use PayPal on eBay to say it is heavily integrated is bullshit. EBay started moving away from PayPal years ago and at this point have integrated their own systems linking to your bank account to take the place of what they used to use PayPal for.
PayPal was acquired by Ebay for 1.5 billion in stock. Group that benefitted from that transactionmost already included musk, thiel, etc. They are intrinsically tired together forever. You also see PayPal as an option for all transactions in eBay, the very recent addition of alternative options, after decades of socializing people on PayPal as the default option doesn’t change much.
Imagine your side of this “argument” being the hill someone dies on… I sure hope you’re a bot, because otherwise you seem a pretty sad, confused human
Any alternatives to PayPal?
Depends on which function you want to replace?
what did PayPal do?
Oh boy… Look up peter thiel, elon musk and david sacks to start - three stains on humanity working very actively to end it as we speak. They were the basin founding faces of PayPal (I mean, I think musk came on after the fact or was pushed out early or something, continuing the trend of him never actually creating anything). Currently they are alll very active in the trump admin - two with officially appointed positions, one in the shadows. Vance is also created by thiel. Look up that “Dark Gothic maga” video (musk’s stupid name) that’s been shared often recently.
Then separately, PayPal owns Honey, and it turns out has been scamming millions, maybe billions away from online creators for years, probably some of your favorites included in that list. Active lawsuit ongoing - look up legal eagle’s video maybe as a start.
All these billionaire fucks made their fortunes through Paypal and still likely hold stock and maybe board positions, can’t recall?
Zelle is separate right?
A group of different bad people behind Zelle. But maybe enough to stop supporting those few South African ghouls working to role America and then the would beyond. You’ll need to decide where your line is, but deleting PayPal account and uninstalling their apps is a start. Maybe you go to Zelle and use that while you research if there is something decent somewhere.
Maybe it means going back to small credit unions? paper checks? Direct bank transfers with friends/family? Not sure what best alternatives is currently. Banking in general is just not really ever going to contain good people - maybe if we allow personal banking at the post office one day - but that’s a pipe dream as fascists are denying judges rulings and releasing January 6 criminals who tased a cop in the neck and admitted to it under oath.
Also you need to invest in alternatives
