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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 months ago

Capitalism means freedom of choice

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Capitalism means freedom of choice

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 months ago
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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    These big corrupt governments are a direct product of how the capitalist system functions. Politics are fundamentally inseparable from economics.

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      if you argue that big corrupt governments are a product of the capitalist system, then ill argue big oppressive governments are a product of the communist system

      at the end of the day, i think both of these systems can work in theory, the problem is that neither one of these systems are implemented properly

      as long fundamental human values such as ethics, morality, justice, equality and democracy are not valued, it doesn’t matter which system you choose, it’s not gonna work

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        And you’d be wrong to argue that because communist system produces governments that actually represent people. At the end of the day, you should spend some time actually learning about the subject you’re attempting to debate instead of wasting everyone’s time writing musings born out of ignorance.

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          so are you arguing that big communist governments such as china and north korea (and in the past soviet union) are not oppressive or their oppressiveness have nothing to do with communist system?

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            I can say that with absolute confidence having personally grown up in USSR. Similarly, if you look at the public opinions from China or Cuba it’s pretty clear nobody is feeling oppressed. You can even login in to Xiaohongshu yourself and talk to people in China and see they’re not oppressed. Seems that all the people oppressed by communists are either scum bag capitalist or they exist solely in the deranged minds of western libs.

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              or maybe they are scared to say that they are oppressed because they know that the app you are talking about is heavily moderated by the government? see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaohongshu#Content_moderation_and_censorship

              also see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

              i didn’t grow up in ussr, however another user who did apparently didn’t have the same experience with you and there’s also a wikipedia page for human rights in soviet union which also contradicts your experience: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Soviet_Union

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                Ah yes, everybody in China is afraid to speak their mind. Imagine being a grown ass adult and genuinely believing that. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised given that you evidently form all your opinions based on wikipedia.

                Weirdly, pretty much every western study on China shows that people actually living in China see their country as being more democratic than people living in US do.

                • https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
                • https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
                • https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
                • https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva images/Democracy Perception Index 2023.pdf
                • https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
                • https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/

                Maybe there is no conspiracy here and vast majority of people in China genuinely live happy lives, and you just can’t accept that because of your biases.

                Meanwhile, the user who is disagreeing with me is listing absolute nonsense as examples of supposed oppression which I already addressed in my other reply.

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