Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don’t have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌🙌 🙌

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI’s crap. Those are great ideas. But, don’t drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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    YSK you should stop guilting us peasants.
    Everyone knows who’s to blame.
    Tired of this shit.

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      Let me tell you something, the consumer is to blame.

      Nobody needs to orient their life around anything that they don’t choose. For example I willingly gave up my car and picked a job near me so I didn’t have to drive.

      There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if people wouldn’t drink the fucking shit.

      This whole cognitive dissonance crap where you get to live a completely hedonistic trash-filled lifestyle, while justifying that you have the right because you’re sad about your earning… I am sick to death of this attitude in people.

      Oh and the shitty product that exists? I must consume it, it’s not me for purchasing it and creating a market, it’s them for serving my need & this market.

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        It’s pretty lame to use the (imperically correct concept) of, no ethical consumption under capitalism to blanket absolve you of willful, informed choices. Humans all eat approx the same amount of calories, but the production of said calories are far from equal. Like you can be mad at the statistics but that doesn’t really change the reality of an unnecessary cultural pratice which massively contributes to climate.

        I mean just for your own sake, stop this line of thinking at “I don’t care” instead of looking for a scapegoat to justify you indifference as praxis.

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        There wouldn’t be a market for bottled water if water was clean and readily available for free.

        The bottled water industry is way worse in Norway than in Spain for example.

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          Even if you justification added up, you could just go get barrels of water, you don’t need to get individual bottles.

          You people actually make me sick with your BS

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            Most scandinavians don’t buy individual bottles because of the drinking water quality. water is usually available most places. And it’s always free in regular cafes and restaurants in Norway if you ask for it.

            It’s solvable if the state does what’s it’s supposed to.

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        LOL
        Tell me what is your job?
        Don’t they sell crap?
        Do you live in a hut?
        Clean your ass with grass?
        Piss off with your selfrightious BS.

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      🙄

      This is such a colossal cop out. Without question corporations and individual billionaires produce more pollution by several magintuedes of individual people. But even that is a drop in the bucket between the deforestation, the years of transporting food for livestock and the final transportation of end product meat to the world population that can be fed on plant based protein.

      Save this line for plastic straws and other frivolous demonization from those in private jets. But don’t use it as a thought terminating cliche aginst the single biggest source of historical human made climate change.

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        Oh please.
        Every food needs to be transported.
        Well not if it’s produced and consumed locally but you forget you’re in capitalism where it’s cheaper to get your quinoa from 4000km away, etc.
        Also I don’t want to be fed on plant based protein.
        The world population can be fed anyway but capitalism says we need to destroy a lot of food to keep the prices down.
        And some regions don’t have food bcs it can’t get there or their crops are destroyed by war, again caused by capitalism.
        There’s a reason you don’t hear about little Greta anymore, she got wise.
        Everyone can parrot the BP carbon footprint garbage all they want, IDC. I have zero guilt

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          Also I don’t want to be fed on plant based protein.

          At the core of literally every anti-vegan argument is, "but I don’t wanna!"

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              Do beliefs and principles even matter if, whenever they’re inconvenient, you ignore them and do whatever you were going to do anyway?

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                you have zero knowledge of my beliefs, let alone if I find them inconvenient or ignore them.
                No need for your pedantic ramblings.
                Going to have a cocktail in the sun with a little umbrella. Bye

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                  This conversation is about whether eating meat is unethical, if you’re saying “I don’t wanna” then what you’re saying is that it doesn’t matter whether it’s ethical or not, because even if it were shown to be unethical and against your principles, you wouldn’t care, because “I don’t wanna.” Because your treats are more important to you than beliefs or principles.