• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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    The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.

    However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?

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      Being as that god is typically considered to be the Christian God, then the dogmatic principle of, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” should come into play, at least in the western world. Their invitation is from the true owner of the home, the state, which supersedes the current occupants authority as, “all nations are created by God”.

      However there may be some concept of primacy of house and home that in God’s eyes turns out to be more important than the political societal contract we live under that has an exemption for protection from evil supernatural entities, as otherwise a long-lived vampire could simply manipulate the population to get themselves elected as a ruler and cause the citizens to lose one of their fundamental protections from the denizens of the night.

      That being said, most law-abiding homeowners would probably permit the entry based on the existence of the warrant by default, so it’s likely a moot point.

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    A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

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    My wife asked me this just this week! I said that it would depend on how far the vampire is ‘removed’ from vampires “tradition”. As in, if they were a more recent conversion, maybe more archaic methods like legalistic language wouldn’t be enough and a vampire cop could enter with just a warrant. But I think an older vampire-cop who would be more bound by whatever lore suits the trespassing curse/stigma, would still be unable to enter your home without your express permission. Its about domain, not so much ownership.

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    No. The vampire is bound by a supernatural barrier not even the likes of Dracula can defy. Otherwise Dracula would be a judge to issue warrants for his fellow vampire officers.

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    Yes, you agreed to the Terms of Service (aka Social Contract). For people in the USA, that includes the 4th amendment, which explicitly allows law enforcement (living or semi-living) to enter with a warrant. Therefore you have granted permission to enter.

    If they don’t have a warrant, or if they messed up the paperwork somehow, then they burst into flame.

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    Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately ‘owns’ your property; if it didn’t, then it couldn’t kick you out and seize it if you don’t pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

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      But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.

      Vampires make better cops than real ones?!

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    A job doesn’t change or define what you are. A vampire would not be able to enter.

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    Police don’t typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

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    that depends on the setting you’re writing.

    I think it would be more interesting to instead say yes or no, and then explain why it’s that way in your setting.

    if yes, perhaps the law is magic in its own right, or perhaps the state is ordained by god. If the vampire is a protagonist, then perhaps the story might be interestes in exploring the necessity of due process and the consequences of not doing that.

    If no, perhaps it is because the police are a corrupt institution lacking support of any higher supernatural power. Our vampire cop might feel forced to use increasing sinister methods of gaining entry to suspects homes.

    The answer could even be different depending on location, and showing the difference could be very interesting.