I know there are plenty of software missing from here. This is just a fun infographic I made, no need to take it seriously :)
How is iCloud not secure or privacy focused? You make no sense with this list. iOS is insanely secure compared to stock android.
What’s with the diss on Malwarebytes?
Mainly because it’s proprietary, privacy invasive by nature, and invasive on computers.
Proprietary sure, but how is it privacy invasive let alone invasive on computers?
What non-proprietary option is there? I can’t think of a single antivirus option which is actually remotely decent which is open.
ClamAV is an open source antivirus, but I would recommend against using an antivirus altogether due to their invasive nature. You shouldn’t need one with proper sandboxing and isolation.
ClamAV is slow to get updates and frankly not a great tool to use. AV is a must as isolation and sandboxing are only as good as the next exploit. Not too mention scams like phishing are not stopped by isolation.
The hardest online privacy is not operating in a way that just links all your “private” activity because you logged in around enough places to link them together and at least one place somewhere can be linked to your real identity
proton VPN
lol. lmao, even.
Lol proton vpn
What’s wrong with Proton VPN?
The Proton CEO is quite active in twitter and participates in podcasts. Well, one day he praised one action of the Trump administration on antitrust and a whole community attacked him for “praising Trump” when he did only a nomination for Attorney General for the Antitrust division. I highly doubt he is a MAGA supporter and listening to him for 30min on any of the multiple appearances he was on, will confirm you that. Several things concerns me on Proton, the CEO’s ideology ain’t one of them.
Unrelated to this, I wish people was more forgiven of Trump voters, it is not the monolithic the Left tries to portray it is. Trump sold himself as fighting the establishment, being anti-war and pro-antitrust (many small business owners supported him). People voted for him even suspecting he most likely was lying. Many people, both in 2016 and 2024, voted for Trump because Hillary was very pro-war (for instance she say she would attack Russian military directly in Syria) and Kamala proudly said she would not change anything on Biden’s policy in the middle of Gaza’s massacres. MAGA has many racists, many! (Democrats has is share too, but usually quieter but one can notice them at the grocery stores!) But what made Trump win was desperate disfranchised Americans with no other alternatives that promised Change. Europeans should keep quiet too… in the last elections they voted as different as they could demanding change to end up with Ursula von der Leyen for another term. Democracies in both sides of the Atlantlic are heavily ill and people, in desperation, vote for whoever promises change, independently of anything else.
I wish people was more forgiven of Trump voters, it is not the monolithic the Left tries to portray it is. Trump sold himself as fighting the establishment, being anti-war and pro-antitrust (many small business owners supported him)
Be prepared to accept accusations of being a fascist Nazi for saying this. You’re right, but Lemmy is so extreme on this subject, that if you aren’t with the majority, then you’re an evil nazi pig–regardless of reality.
I still get accused of it and all I did was vote third party in the election. 9 months ago! lol
Screw me! I feel bad because instead of welcoming those now disenchanted MAGA, we are shunning them away and pushing them toward Musk’s new party and the like. We did same mistake after Trump’s 1st term too.
Agreed. Lots of missed opportunities, and Lemmy is also shunning away their allies against Trump by overusing the words Nazi and Fascist to describe every poster that disagrees with Democrats. My gf, who is very very anti-Trump, lasted on Lemmy one day. One day!
She said it was way too hateful and political. lol
I feel bad even recommending it to her, and I don’t recommend it to any of my friends anymore.
Lemmy will die in a few years because of it’s extremism. It’s already slowing down. But I’ll ride it to the end to prove to people that they didn’t bully me off of it. :)
Let me know if you find a better venue… I am also disappointed in Lemmy. Is it so hard to find a place where people try to understand why things are one way and another before slapping each other.
I’d lived in a very swing state, in a very swing county and thanks to that predicted elections like no pollster did (even Trump in 2016 as he came down a escalator and every media laughed at him)… I saw no more malice in an average Trump voter than a Kamala one, I find a portion of them both as equally racist (some 30% I would say), one just is more vocal and explicit while the other chooses to express the racism passively aggressive… Two black family moved into our street and one Trumper told me that he does not like the “blacks in front” and a long time Democrat neighbor told me instead… that she was going to move to a better school district “because demographics”… what is the difference?
Let me know if you find a better venue… I am also disappointed in Lemmy.
I still love Lemmy, and my main Lemmy instance. But ugh, everything is getting so political and extreme everywhere. I’m trying to transition into just posting my writing and staying in writing communities, but my reputation proceeds me (still no regrets and I still believe in everything I said) and things can downgrade pretty quick.
And if I came up with an alt name, people would recognize my writing and say I was ban-evading.
So ugh, we’ll see. I’m trying to just stay out of everything political, but people mention my fucking name all the time anytime someone talks about “trolls.” And I never back down when I get false accused. lmao
Pretty sure banks have a pretty good track record of “keeping your money safe”. Why the fork would anybody trust banks to keep their money safe if they can’t keep your money safe?
I don’t really understand why that statement is even on there?
Unless you mean to argue some anonimity point, which I could agree with considering e.g. Monero would be more anonymous than a bank.
But safe? I’d say the bank is quite safe to store money.
The intention was more “Banks keep my data safe,” but I wanted to provide a clearer explanation that if your data isn’t safe, neither is your money. I didn’t have enough room to put my full thoughts.
I have this bad gut feeling about Signal and Proton, I have no evidence tho.
proton has already shared user data with authorities; you don’t have to go by your gut
Some of those mentioned likely are compromised, but cannot figured out which. The thing, is to diversify our risk and the privacy minded to use different platforms (Proton VPN and Mullvad VPN for instance).
The good news, is that if an agency is compromising something, they will likely won’t use the intel gathered in court cases in order to leave it open to future prey, so that is good for vast majority of users. The very few that are relevant enough should not trust even the genuine privacy tools and resort to enhanced methods and combining methodologies.
My impression, and just impression, is that I would trust **Tuta **more than Proton (and not because Proton’s CEO that many interpreted wrong anyways) On VPN… a tad more trust on Mullvad. Signal, I would not use it for high stakes communication but OK for most people. GrapheneOS seems okay and we know for sure it does not leak info on a daily basics, but we have to be careful, it could have an obscure code dormant waiting for a trigger or could easily send data to an unsuspected server, Ironically, if I were Snoden, I would feel more comfortable using a Huawei Mate with HarmonyOS than a Pixel 9 with GrapheneOS… of course China spies too massively, but it has far less beef with Snoden than the US does, therefore not of much interest to Beijing.
Remember that overwhelming majority of FOSS goes without any audit, let alone a comprehensive one. This is what some trusted party should put AI checking ASAP all the FOSS out there!
Very interesting insights. Funnily I use all of the services you cautiously recommend, including GrapheneOS, but not HarmonyOS, hard pass on that one. As a German I am also legally required to prefer Tuta. :) I still have that OG 1€/Month contract.
Edit: Your last point is a good idea, although I think the more popular an open source app is, the less likely it is to be malicious. A lot more eyes on it and the xz backdoor was caught pretty much immediately.
Of course… for us normies… GrapheneOS is the way to go. Very high targeted individuals in the West should however consider HarmonyOS. Of Course the Chinese government has eyes on that one but not specifically targeting you… unless they use it to trade intel on someone of high interest for China but no much collaboration between West and China intelligence agencies today…
True, popularity increases the chances someone auditing. But, to a point. Ideally audit should be performed with every single update and on the servers, and there the premise of more eyes does not hold true no more. Then it comes trust. In a company like Tuta, the people behind showed their faces from day one, the same people are there, is a tight team so harder for a bad apple to do something. Considering both Tuta and Proton were good from inception (and I believe it may be the case), it would probably would be easier for an intelligence agency to penetrate Proton than Tuta, just for the structure that appears they have from outside. Now, Tuta made a horrible mistake once! In the Russian invasion of Ukraine, independently of one’s take on it, Tuta made the “Standing with Ukraine” (March 2022); that was a mistake, it may many doubt if privacy still their paramount over any other ideology. Maybe they have change since since no statements on Gaza… or maybe they agree with what is happening… who knows… that is why they should not make any statements at all, or clarify that while they have their ideologies in no case, ever will compromise their stands on privacy. To be fair, Proton did the same… nothing on Ukraine but on Gaza “We unequivocally condemn the terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israeli civilians […] We also condemn violence against civilians in Gaza”; so I guess both are comparable here! My trust for both is slim, as a company, and even their individuals.
But you do know that Tor/VPN is not really privacy, nor security? It hides your IP, but that’s about it. If you still login, and give any information, and that could just be your “fingerprint” you are not anonymous…
Encryption is a type of security, and Tor/VPNs encrypt your traffic. Accessing .onion sites over Tor is (at least in theory) more secure than accessing clearnet sites.
In theory - but it’s still primarily your IP you are hiding. And very few people only visits -onion pages…
VPNs know who you are and what websites you visit, so no privacy nor anonymity there. With Tor… It’s complicated. That’s why we have guides like this: http://blog.nowherejezfoltodf4jiyl6r56jnzintap5vyjlia7fkirfsnfizflqd.onion/opsec.
Only a few take their privacy serious. They, sadly, believe in the ethics of the Tech giants…
It’s not about what you use, but how you use it. PEBCAK Almost 100% privacy and security is offline at home, reading a book, if you bought the book with cash and not online and/or with credit card.
Any article or post of how embrace the use of some of those technologies?
Good question! There are hundreds of good resources, some of which include Privacy Guides and my friends at Punching Up Press (they have a lot of other good infographics). Naomi Brockwell TV is a YouTuber with some great beginner friendly videos to guide you step by step. Let me know if you’re interested in others!
Thank you :D I’m going to check those links this weekend.
I chose Nord VPN based on several posts I read on here (Lemmy). Why are Proton and Mullvad better choices?
Proton VPN and Mullvad VPN are both open source, meaning their code can be publicly audited to make sure they’re upholding their standards of privacy and security. Furthermore, Proton VPN offers a free tier. These are the main 2 reasons. NordVPN only protects your privacy against other websites, not NordVPN themselves. Hope this helps! Let me know if you want more details.
Edit: Mullvad VPN can also be paid for in cash/Monero, and they don’t ask for any personal information to use it (not even a username!)
Being open source doesn’t uphold a lot of standards of privacy and security for VPNs. It’s not useless, but the most common worry about VPNs is traffic logging, and open source apps do nothing to prevent this since it’s server side. ProtonVPN and Mullvad VPN don’t protect from themselves, and they can keep logs. The reason they’re commonly recommended is that they’re more trusted in the privacy community in general. Obscura VPN and Nym VPN do mostly protect from themselves because they’re a two-hop VPN. In the case of Obscura VPN, it’s a first hop through their servers, and a second hop through Mullvad’s. So to associate your traffic with your IP address, Obscura and Mullvad would need to cooperate, which is quite a bit less likely than a single VPN operator logging user traffic.
I just think the most trustworthy VPN is the one no one is talking about. NordVPN is a sponsor on every single YouTube video. They are mainstream. I don’t trust mainstream. Mullvad has proven they don’t keep logs. They are simple. They don’t even have accounts. A 16 digit number is all you get to login. No pass. No email. No ties to you. You fill your subscription like quarters in a meter.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Nord. They are kind of disliked here because they’re not open source and they did a lot of commercials not long ago. Despite all that, they’ve publicly reported multiple third-party audits of their code, which I think is a good thing.
I don’t undurstand how Graphene can bigger than Linux on this list.
The size on the list does not matter. I resized them so they could fit better on the page.
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